Injured Former Marine Honorable?(Updatedx2)

Borrowed Honor?

When a former Marine, Scott Olsen, was injured during a police response at Occupy Oakland, a number of people were upset, including other veterans.  The problem with this is that in so doing, we are assigning this guy supposed credibility and virtue on the basis of his prior service to our nation.  Being a veteran myself, I know that there are all sorts of people in the service, and not all of them are so deserving of our presumptions about their personal virtues.   I think it’s becoming clear that Olsen may not have been the oh-so-virtuous veteran who the media and their darlings in OWS have been trying to portray him to have been. Rather than being a case of his being dishonored, it seems clear to me that he dishonored the US Marine Corps.

Instead of being an heroic Marine, it turns out that he’s the founder of the website IHateTheMarineCorps.com, where he posted the following:

Screen Capture of cached site Owned by Scott Olsen

The website isn’t up any longer, but you can view the web-cache of it here. You can verify ownership of the domain name here.  He included the following keywords with his domain name registration:

Keywords: screw the maqrine corps, i hate the marine corps, how to get out of the marines early, veerp anyone, fart mesuring unit, actual honesty mediafire marines, what is the njp punishment for insubordination

It seems unlikely that he was much of a Marine with this attitude. It’s being reported by WeaselZippers.com that he is a hero among the Moveon.org crowd. Why am I not surprised?  I don’t think talking this way reflects well on his service.  It can’t be that somebody who hates the Marine Corps as much as this guy professes could possibly be a good Marine.  I think veterans should be concerned when a veteran is given the presumption of credibility and honor when in truth, the veteran in question isn’t up to the standards others have met, and worst of all, defames the institution in which s/he served.  It’s easier to understand, given this attitude, how this guy could have come to be injured.  Apparently, he didn’t like following lawful orders. That’s not the kind of Marine I knew when I was in uniform. They would have been embarrassed to have been associated with a guy like this.

Update: From MercuryNews.com

In 2010, the Marines issued Olsen an “administrative discharge.” Maj. Shawn Haney, a Marines spokesman based in Quantico, Va., declined to discuss Olsen’s discharge, but said his departure could have been for anything from a medical condition to a punitive measure.

Editor’s note: We millions of veterans know well the meaning of a less-than-honorable discharge, and veterans who complete their service with honor are generally proud to have done so. I am.

Update #2: From a Commenter  The claim is that Olsen may not have registered the domain Ihatethemarinecorps.com  I remain skeptical because the domain was registered in 2009, and to have somebody registering such a domain fraudulently in 2009 in order to “smear Olsen” in 2011 after an event nobody could have predicted seems implausible on its face. I will await further facts before drawing conclusions on this aspect of the story.

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  • http://minorityrightsadvocate.wordpress.com mrfixit

    Mark,
    Well done! I was thinking same, but your find of his site confirms for sure. I also noted his public LinkedIn profile shows a 4 year minimum service in the USMC and his work was with computers, no doubt not at the front lines with the real action. He like most of the lefties that do serve appears to have done so for the education and benefits, not for genuine service to country, and this is all too common.

    • truthseeker

      Fact: Scot served. Fact: Scott has been criticallyinjured during a peaceful protest b y police, who also targetedaid.those who came to his

      • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

        Benedict Arnold served too. While I'm not comparing Scott Olsen to Benedict Arnold, what I'm suggesting is that one must consider the character and quality of the service rendered.

      • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

        Benedict Arnold served too. While I’m not comparing Scott Olsen to Benedict Arnold, what I’m suggesting is that one must consider the character and quality of the service rendered.

  • http://akaboland.wordpress.com akabosan

    Thank you for your service MA.

    Ya know, for many years I have been told by men who were in the corps, that there is no such thing as an "ex-marine."

    I guess in the case of this boy it may not hold.

    "Oakland mayor sorry for clash that injured ex-Marine" <= Breitbart lol

    GB

    • Phil

      ak abosan I believe the saying about ex marines still holds. This man apparently never had the mind set to become a Marine in the first place. I served in the AF, but ever Marine I ever met was proud to be a Marine, and proud to serve his/her country. This jerk doesn't seem to qualify.
      Phil C

  • John

    What is Scot Olsen's MOS? Based on his current job I bet he spent most of his time on network security at a very large base camp most probably Fallujah, Iraq. The biggest threat that the Iraqi insurgents posed to him were occasionally mortaring the camp. There was anti artillery radar for that. It was a serious threat but infrequent. Most of his time he would have spent inside a building with computers.

    You would have to see what year he was deployed, where & talk to his fellow Marines in the unit. I bet many private contractor truckers & Army grunts spent more time on the roads than he did. I do not think he patrolled often given his MOS.

    • http://gravatar.com/lionman1949 Anthony Touchet USMC

      The Corps gets Turds . and once a Turd always a Turd. Recruiters need not have to make a certain amount in each month . Some things never change in the Corps but I will love it all my days. And have the pride not to disgrace it and the brave men that has served through the many years. If you want the best fighting man bring back the draft; Sorry high paid pros where are the farm boys?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1292024173 Lori Gallagher Duke

    Things aren't always what they appear.. or what some media reports. Never hurts to look into something for yourself- just a little bit before you go running off with something. Sometimes you get quite a diffrent story. Do your own homework people- this OWS thing is no good- stands for nothing good.

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  • Jose Garcia

    Mark and other Marines on here. His MOS has nothing to do with whether he was a good Marine or not. Did he do the wrong that goes against Marine principles should be the focus not his job. Every Marine is first a rifleman and therefore every Marine has the 0300 mos, thus it matters not what he did. The thing that matters was how he was perceived by fellow Marines. If his fellow Marines do not respect him or like him there is a good chance that he is part of that 10% that every good Marine hates. Let's not focus on what this man did while in the Corps rather let's focus on what he actually did and let's judge him on his character. I was on 0131/0121 and that was my job and it makes no less a Marine than being 0311 would. Semper Fidelis Marines.

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      Jose, I agree that one can serve honorably in any MOS. The question here is: He received an administrative discharge, as opposed to an honorable. That tells me volumes.

      • Jose Garcia

        Mark,

        If he received anything less than honorable then he is part of that 10% and that speaks to his lack of honor, then he should be rightly hammered on that. Besides any man that would, in my view, betray the country that he was enlisted to protect is a pile of dog excrement.

        • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

          Well, it is possible to receive an administrative for non-dishonorable reasons… but it sure doesn't look good. The only way to know 100% is to find those with whom he served, and ask them.

          • Jose Garcia

            Mark I worked in adminstration including work as the legal clerk for the unit, and it is very hard to not get an honorable discharge. I tend to lean to say that this kid, if true that he received a less than honorable, is more than likely a person that is not so honorable.

  • IspprtOWS&I&#039

    Regardless of this boys website, the footage still tells a story.
    He was standing in a spot where he was shot on purpose up close by Oakland officers (they could have maced him, or arrested him, they didn't need to shoot at a guy standing still at less then 10 yards). but honestly, what got me irritated the most, (and you can watch the footage for yourselves) is that a group of people came to help out a injured person, a person they knew nothing about, who was knocked out on the ground, when this group of people came in to aid the person, a police officer tossed a flash grenade directly into the small group of people trying to aid someone. Before you comment back, you should really watch the footage. Who ever it was was a jerk.

    The point is, regardless of this kids website or words, he went to Iraq twice, where he was at least in as much danger as all of our other servicemen against enemies. He came back here, and now he uses words many don't agree with. That doesn't give anyone the right to intentionally harm him physically, or worse, flash grenade a group of people coming to an injured mans aid. If we start saying that we have the right to beat people up or kill or hurt them because of words, words that like it or leave it we are sworn to protect… well then let me tell you something, when that day comes, people will be tearing each other apart. … Don't condone violence in our own country against people peacefully protesting (at least the vast majority of them are anyway, I'm sure, like with ANY group, their are fringes). Those kind of power struggles against the masses will end poorly for all of us.

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      I've seen the footage. I have one question: Were the people following the lawful orders of the police? Was Olsen?

      Let me explain something to you, since obviously, you don't "get it." Being a veteran does not provide one some sort of special dispensation to ignore the lawful orders of civil authorities. One of the things that happens in a scenario like this is that people are moving around, and somebody can step in front of a thrown or fired projectile very easily. Looking at all the available footage, I suspect that is what happened here. I seriously doubt that however Mr. Olsen was struck, it was by the aimed intention of anybody. This is what happens during mob actions against the police.

      By my reckoning, the tragic thing about this incident is that the injury need not have happened, and it need not have happened if the protesters had been following the instructions they were being given by the police. Now, having said that, he went to Iraq twice. So? Going to Iraq is a worthy distinction if one's service is honorable, but if one subsequently does dishonorable things, the honor attached to one's service evaporates. Having a website called "IhatetheMarineCorps.com" suggests strongly that he did not part company with the Corps on good terms.

      Most of the young men and women I know who wear the uniform and serve our country do so with honor. I don't have any specific details about Mr. Olsen's service apart from that which has been published elsewhere. What I do know is that here he was in a situation in which he apparently decided to ignore the lawful orders of police operating under less than optimal conditions. If he has served in Iraq twice, it ought to have been obvious to him that such situations often turn out badly.

      I'm sorry he was struck in the head, but I'm frankly more sorry that he was there to be struck at all. He seems to have been motivated by some sense of rage against authority, and it is that about which you should now wonder.

    • http://minorityrightsadvocate.wordpress.com mrfixit

      When the protestors INTENTIONALLY confront police and incite a response, it is NOT peaceful.
      The videos also clearly show protestors throwing bottles and paint at the police, this is NOT peaceful and can cause serious injuries.
      This happened because this guy failed to follow lawful orders and choose to be in the wrong crowd.
      The Police are now saying that his injury may have been caused by the protestors throwing things, not the police, and this IS possible since they WERE throwing things.
      This is NOT peaceful, the Tea Party was peaceful, hence no arrests and no concern from police. This OWS is chaos and the fruit of this effort makes it clear it is on the dark side of evil, while the non-violent Tea Party says just the opposite. Wake up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1378415783 Bill Tuttle

      He wasn't shot, Ispprt, he was beaned by a tear gas canister. Two of the vids on the web clearly show an individual who wasn't a cop scooping up a smoking canister from the pavement and flinging it in the direction of the crowd where Olsen was standing about thirty seconds before he was carried out.

  • Vicki Clark

    from one proud vet to another, thanks!

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      Thank you!

  • Scott

    Karl Denninger uncovers tampering with the domain registration on Whois:
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=196747

    It appears that someone recently placed Scott Olsen's name into the domain registration, and that he is not the owner of that website.

    Remember, truth is important.

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      If true, that's significant. Having read the article, however, I wonder about its veracity. It's a heck of a claim to make. I'll update my story to reflect the new info, but it certainly isn't a settled matter at this point.

  • Blue Spyder

    I served 4 years as Motor Transport and got out honorably, so are you saying that wasn't real service?

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      Who said that? Perhaps the better question is "To whom are you addressing that question?"

  • theCork

    Mark, Gateway Pundit reports that Scott Olson bragged of his website on his Youtube channel and Twitter accounts. There's film clips of this. So much for the "smear".
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/good-grie

  • theCork

    Just give it a rest lefties. OF COURSE you hate the Military and Jews as Scott Olson does. You always have… along with the US and economic freedom in general. Be proud, stand tall, say what you believe. Don't hide. Surely the more the public understands what you believe, the more will join you, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1251979779 Gary W. Long

    A couple of problems. This Olsen's home-of-record is Wisconsin, not Illinois, and he was on active duty 2006-2010, a standard 4 year term.
    The website was registered January 28, 2009, at least a year before Olsen left the USMC. These inconsistencies need to be addressed before reaching a reasonable conclusion.

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      That's why included the update at the bottom of the article. I'm sure we will find out in due course. One way or another, when we do, it will be posted here. Thanks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000049323140 Elijah Godwin

    go ahead and look me up. i didn't like the army, but i was still a highly decorated veteran, and i still went "above and beyond" my call of duty while deployed. you don't have to enjoy your work to do a good job. in fact we are honored because we were doing things that were not enjoyable, that other people wouldn't do. i hated my garrison time in the 82nd airborne, it was painful and it sucked most of the time. but that is what you get when you are in an elite unit, you get conditioned to live in the suck. that doesn't mean i am not honorable or that my service is less honorable.

  • Mark

    Smedley Darlington Butler[1] (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. His famous remark on his career with the Corps:

    "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

    Gen. Butler was not denouncing his fellow Marines; he was denouncing their being used as thugs for US oil companies and banks.

    Scott Olsen isn't able to speak because of the brain injury he suffered, but his work with fellow veterans in Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace suggests that Scott is in the noble tradition laid out by Smedley Butler. More power to him!

    • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

      You know the problem I have with guys like Smedley? He served 33+ years and didn't decide this until AFTER his service. Convenient timing.

    • http://minorityrightsadvocate.wordpress.com mrfixit

      Smedley was then a fool to serve for so long supporting what he opposed!
      So, the “system” is not perfect and it has been ABUSED. So, what is the alternative? Should we just collapse it and replace it with system we KNOW has always failed, and always will fail? That is what the OWS fools want! They want a communist collective. We know that is far worse, since there are no checks for the abuse of power!
      Communism/socialist fascism has murdered more people than ANY other system of government that has ever been tried! So to the fools like Olsen and Smedley that think our system is so bad, what is their plan?
      You see, we WON’T have utopia on earth when man rules over man in ANY system of government. The best we can hope for is a limited government of laws and divided powers that tends to fight within itself leaves the people some sense of freedom, and that is what we have, or at least had until Obama declared himself dictator by violating his limits on power.
      It is not the concept of the system that is the problem, it is the corruption that comes from the ABUSE of the system, this has always been and will always be – it is up to US the PEOPLE to participate and choose the best representatives and FIRE the bad ones, when we don’t do that, we get what we deserve, as we have now.

    • http://minorityrightsadvocate.wordpress.com mrfixit

      Maybe he wasn't a fool… Looks like it was actions under PROGRESSIVES Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and later FDR that soured his views, and in that context, I can understand. They seriously ABUSED the system… Again, it was the ABUSE of the system that he rightly opposed, but Communism is NOT the answer, because it is only another label that describes the centralized power and abuse that fits the progressive, communist, fascist, socialist, you name it. That is the problem, all abuse of the system the Constitution was designed to prevent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

      • http://www.markamerica.com MarkAmerica

        Well, there's certainly some truth to that. It wasn't until TR and WW that America really got embroiled in any sort of "adventurism" or "making the world safe for democracy."

        You're right, however: Greater statism only multiplies the problem. It never diminishes it.

  • Arslan Amirkhanov

    When I read the stories of this former Marine, it clearly stated that his discharge was something like OTH. You are right about one thing, there are all kinds of people in the military. He might not have been the greatest Marine, but he was probably better than a lot of the folks I knew in the army. My roommate was a drug dealer, for example.

    In any case, the military can try to give you all these traditions and flowerly phrases about service, but in reality you aren't defending your homeland or your country. When you return, you get s**t on by all of society now. Everyone says "support the troops" but nobody cares.

    Now there are a lot of guys that don't like to hear that. Especially when they've been in combat and they've lost friends. But believing in Santa Claus doesn't make him real. And believing you are in some eternal brotherhood called the Army or USMC isn't going to pay your bills when you get home. There's a reason why most of the volunteers come from working class families.

    I have a much better solution to the problem. Workers should only fight and kill for their interest, not on the orders of the government or their officers.

    • Arslan Amirkhanov

      Apparently a second veteran has been wounded, and he wasn't even protesting. http://news.yahoo.com/2nd-vet-hurt-occupy-oakland

      Also, it does seem odd that the guy would have a website called "Ihatethemarinecorps." I can understand people not liking military life or hating being deployed, but that's very odd for a marine. Army I can understand. You hear FTA all the time.

  • Bam

    I was skeptical at first, too, but the guy has been all over the internet promoting his website for awhile now. Where ALL of these google links faked? https://www.google.com/search?q=solsen230&ie=

  • edouard yazdi

    Smedley Butler was a hero and he did what he did knowing he was doing it. He served honourably but as as American, he had to right to say what he diid about the interests of then and he was protected by stating as he did. This is what America is about!

    Funny thing is that the same applies today but few of us have the insight.

    Semper Fi mis hermanos