Would it work?
Over at Westernjournalism.com, Kriz Zane has written an interesting piece suggesting that the way for conservatives to get out of the Romney predicament is for Sarah Palin to run as an independent. Zane seems to have gone through a genesis on this campaign not unlike my own, in that originally, Sarah Palin was Zane’s chosen candidate, but when that campaign didn’t materialize, the switch ultimately went to Newt Gingrich. What Zane argues, and I’m not entirely certain I agree, is that it seems for some reason that Gingrich is simply not acceptable to too many people, and of course, much like me, Zane finds Romney deplorable at best, and certain to get Obama re-elected. What is a conservative to do? Zane has decided to ask that Sarah Palin seek the presidency as a Tea Party candidate.
Zane sets aside the conventional wisdom that a third-party candidacy would merely split conservatives making it easier for Obama to defeat them. The idea is that Palin would be a transformational figure who would attract support from the Tea Party folks, and effectively make the GOP candidate moot. While it’s an interesting idea, the problem is that I don’t know the mechanics of how one would put such a candidate on the ballots in all fifty states even if the candidate were inclined to run at all, never mind as an independent. Of course, it can be rightly said that Sarah Palin surely has an independent streak, but I think the first step would be to see if the candidate has any such interest, and there’s no word from Zane on that question.
The other point made is one that I’ve repeated often, inasmuch as Mitt Romney simply doesn’t have what it takes to get the job done. Conservatives are unhappy with the prospect, and Zane focuses on a letter read aloud by Rush Limbaugh from a friend on the subject. You can see Rush read the letter below, H/T Rightscoop:
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This is a perfect example of the things that most conservatives are saying about a Romney nomination. They simply don’t want him, and the truth is they’d rather go down fighting with a conservative nominee than to simply have another establishment candidate. This angst is not unfounded, as we have seen what happens when the GOP establishment puts up their kind of candidate. Most of the time, they lose.
The reason is simple, and it’s the same justification Zane relies upon for the theoretical Palin independent campaign: Conservatives simply won’t turn out with sufficient fervor to push Romney(or anybody like him) over the top. Of course, the GOP establishment has its own view, which would roughly equate to “their way or the highway.” Let’s face facts: The Republican establishment largely consists of people who expect to be immune from much of what Obama may do in a second term, so they may be more inclined to lose than to support an actual conservative, and I think that they have done so before.
For these reasons, I understand the horns of the dilemma on which Zane and so many other conservatives now sit, and I am surely among their number. While Zane presents an intriguing idea, I don’t know how we get from here to there. Of course, if there’s any politician in America who could pull off succh a move, it would almost certainly be Governor Palin. As of Saturday, the story had bbroken that she would be co-hosting the Today Show on NBC, Tuesday, going head-to-head against Katie Couric on Good Morning America, and when asked about that aspect of the scheduled appearance by Breitbart.com, she reportedly answered simply: “Game on!” With an attitude like that, it’s small wonder that so many conservatives have such high hopes for Governor Palin, and after all, who knows?
That would be awesome!
Mark, the Beltway GOP knows that Mitt Romney is a Dead Man Walking. They want him nominated so that Obama’s reelection is safely guaranteed. They figure that the roof will cave in on Obama in a second term and he’ll have one just like George W. Bush had. Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie are all about Jeb Bush riding in on a White Horse in 2016.
An Obama 2nd term will be a disaster for the country, but above all, it will be a disaster for Obama and the Democrats. They have no sense of restraint and do not value the traditions and balances put into Mr. Madison’s Constitution. This sense of ideological zealotry is common among all neofascist and socialist creeds. They must wreck what is to pave the way for the Radiant Future.
Karl & Co. are shrewd enough to get this great weakness of Obama, and they want it to play out.
This was never about Romney; he’s a patsy. His campaign will be the last to get this.
Palin would never allow herself to fall into the trap of being a Republican Nader. No matter how much weak sauce Romney drinks, Palin would be blamed for Obama’s victory. They would bury her.
Palin will allow Romney to fail on his own, then go to war against the Bushes the day after Obama wins reelection. The GOP wants its Viking Funeral; they will most assuredly have it if Palin has her way.
The main problem with “letting” Obama win is that there won’t be a country left after a second term of his evil. We won’t survive it.
Frankly I still don’t understand how Obama is viewed as a formidable candidate after everything that’s happened. What has he done that anyone should want MORE of? Mind-boggling to think about with a rational mind. The fact that we have to be concerned about losing to the most vile and dangerous man in US history is stunning.
I will say this: if Sarah gets in, she wins the White House. God’s got bigger plans for her beyond the political mud wrestling we’re fixated on.
The letter Rush read could describe most of us to a T. How difficult will it be to get behind Romney in a national election? I loathe Romney (politically) although compared to Obama he has moral character. I will vote, because I always vote, but pulling the lever for Romney would be extremely difficult.
But pull pull pull…
WHAT REALLY MATTERS?????????We are living in times when values and the truth really matter.You wouldn’t personally deal with someone who was not honest with you.You wouldn’t invest in a company that was essentially bankrupt.You wouldn’t follow someone who said one thing and did another.You wouldn’t trust the media if they didn’t question things that didn’t make sense.But . . .There is an obvious agenda and we are living through the fundamental transformation of our country. Undeniably, there is no accident or coincidence. These are verifiable facts and incident. Do you think it matters now?WHEN Obama wrote a book and said he was mentored as a youth by Frank (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist, people said it didn’t matter.WHEN it was discovered that his grandparents were strong socialists who sent Obama’s mother to a socialist school where she was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis. He was later introduced to young Barrack Hussein Obama. People said it didn’t matter. WHEN people found out that Barrack Hussein Obama was enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his father and stepfather were both Muslims, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he wrote in another book he authored “I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction” people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he admittedly, in his book, said he chose Marxist friends and professors in college– people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he traveled to Pakistan after college on an unknown national passport, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he sought the endorsement of the Marxist Party in 1996 as he ran for the Illinois Senate, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he sat in a Chicago Church for twenty years and listened to a preacher spew hatred for America and preach black liberation theology, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN an independent Washington organization, that tracks Senate voting records, gave him the distinctive title as the “most liberal senator,” people said it didn’t matter. WHEN the Palestinians in Gaza set up a fund raising telethon to raise money for his election campaign, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN his voting record supported gun control, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan and Mum-mar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN his voting record in the Illinois senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he refused to wear a flag lapel pin, and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, pro- abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he aired his views on abortion, homosexuality and a host of other issues, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, including homosexual indoctrination, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter. ( He has now produced one that has been proven to be a fake, and NO document expert has disputed that!)WHEN he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco. . . a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home– people said it didn’t matter. WHEN it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist/Communist, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed cabinet members and several advisors who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilization and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent, and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual, and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight, education network as Safe School Czar and it became known that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed Mark Lloyd, as Diversity Czar, who believes in curtailing free speech; taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth; who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor and she is an avowed Socialist, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher– and the person she turned to most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed Carol Browner as Global Warming Czar, and her being a well-known socialist working on Cap and Trade as the nation’s largest tax, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for health and human services secretary could not be confirmed, because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN as President of the United States, he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN his actions concerning the Middle-East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our longtime ally, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim; was educated as a Muslim; and that he is still a Muslim. . . people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn’t matter. WHEN he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people finally woke up. . . but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this do an internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America? If you are an Obama Supporter don’t be angry with me because I think Barrack Hussein Obama is a socialist. Far too many facts support he is indeed a Socialist. If you seek the truth you will be richer for it. Don’t just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Constitutionalists, Libertarians all need to pull together or watch the demise of a free democratic society. Pray for Americans to seek the truth and take action for it will keep us FREE. Our biggest enemy is not China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington D.C. The government will not help, so we need to do it ourselves. Question. . . will you delete this, or pass it on to others who don’t know about Obama’s actions and plans for the USA, so that they may know how to vote in November, 2012 and the ensuing years? It’s your decision. I believe it does matter. How about you? government will not help, so we need to do it ourselves. Question. . . will you delete this, or pass it on to others who don’t know about Obama’s actions and plans for the USA, so that they may know how to vote in November, 2012 and the ensuing years? It’s your decision. I believe it does matter. How about you?
Reply to self again. Need to say sorry for such a long post. It was an email I got a while back. Not original…just seemed like a good place to post it.
Good list but his involvement with Eric Holder and the gun running operation, Fast & Furious, is not mentioned. IMHO, this is worse than the Watergate scandal and we have not made any attempt to impeach him over it.
Glad you noticed. It surely was a long list. I tried to separate at the “Whens” for easier reading but posting joined it all together. And now side deals with Russia and contempt of SCOTUS! I’m running out of “Whens.” There is likely another today I have not seen yet!
Reply to myself just to keep in order. When, Executive order giving himself power to declare peacetime martial law.
When I first saw the news that Gov Palin would be guest hosting the Today Show, I assumed it was an April Fool’s Day joke. After reading here that the news came out on March 31st, I’m guessing it’s true and wondering if NBC’s decision was a reaction to the blowback on the Today Show incident a few days ago — where they were caught changing George Zimmerman’s recorded 911 conversation, making him look like an obvious racist. This incident made news on the Sean Hannity show and NBC had launched an internal investigation. Perhaps they needed to quickly make some conservative friends. I hope Palin brings this up on the show.
Why do we fight each other and why do we support each other? We are all family. Another song lyric from good while ago.
Wikipedia says G.W. Bush and Obama are distant cousins. You can look that one up, but here’s something else with source below………”We found it pretty remarkable that a number of people seeking to become president are coming from families with links to the presidents,” said Anastasia Harman, lead family historian for Ancestry.com. “It makes the primary somewhat of a family affair.”The links come as little surprise to genealogists, who note that Americans are a lot more related to one another than they might think.”People generally underestimate the extent to which we are all related to one another,” said Robert Charles Anderson, the director of the Great Migration Study Project at the New England Historic Genealogical Society………The site connected Obama last year to former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh……This link to above…
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/20/133560/romney-huntsman-perry-all-kin.html Palin, Obama, Limbaugh “connected”? Leave it up to you at that point.
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Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/20/133560/romney-huntsman-perry-all-kin.html#storylink=cpy
Replying to myself again. ‘Cause forgot to say…
As far as any third party hope and prayer….we’ll need liberal third party candidate who will take democrat votes. Please don’t hold your breathe this time, or you’ll never make it to voting day.
I along with millions of others would love to see Governor Palin get in this race.. she is the only constitutional conservative who could get in at this time. Governor Palin has been fully vetted, has a proven record , is not 4 sale would not have a problem getting an organization and people in place in a new York minute. I doubt there would be a problem raising money . I firmly believe that she is the only one who could pull this off without a problem. The country is going to hell in a hand basket, the GOP establishment candidate Romney in his own words said he is a liberal , progressive republican and does not resonate with the American people. The numbers prove this. If the DC GOP establishment does not realize this, they do not want to defeat BHO. GOP if you really want to defeat BHO you should be talking to Governor Palin, she is the only one who can fire up the base and unite the party. She is the only real threat to BHO and his leftist crew, Governor palin has been living in BHOs head rent free for over 3 years. GOP if you don’t know this already we need to get rid of all of you.
This is a time for choosing GOP do you want to defeat BHO or give him 4 more years to finish fundementally transforming this exceptional country? GOP the ball is in your court.
Sarah Palin has said many times that losing to Obama is not an option. She has also said we need to do more than just change the uniform, but we must change the players. And I firmly believe she knows that Romney cannot beat Obama.
If Santorum concedes to Romney in the next few weeks, the cries for her to run as a third-party or independent will be off the richter scale. I am sure her people know what it would take to mount an independent run. There are also third-parties (such as the Conservative Party and the Reform Party) that would make sense too. She can do it! In a three-way race between her vs. Obama vs. Romney, a strong case could be made that Romney would be the odd man out.
Game on!
Conventional wisdom says that a conservative 3rd party candidate would split the conservative vote and propel Obama to a win for a 2nd term.
How so? If Romney is the Republican candidate and Palin were to run as a 3rd party candidate, how would the conservative vote be split – when there would still be ONLY ONE conservative running for President?
Is the USA really a “center/right” country? I honestly don’t think so. I believe we are better described as a “conservative/libertarian” country … if you define a libertarian as someone who says … “live and let live, leave me alone, let me do what I do, I don’t need your handouts just get out of my way and I’ll succeed on my own, thank you very much!”
The founders of this country understood what was wrong with “government” and worked very hard to put in place a rulebook (The Constitution) that made it VERY difficult for a central government to do ANYTHING! This was by design and worked well for over 125 years. When we “bent” the rules, strayed from the constraints of the Constitution and centralized more and more power in Washington D.C., we became less and less free AND less satisfied with our situation.
Limited government? Enumerated powers? 10th Amendment? Where does the Constitution give you the authority to do x, y or z?
In the immortal words of Nancy Pelosi … “Are you serious?”
One could write a book … a very long book … about the multitude of things that our central government has done in direct violation of the constraints of the Constitution.
If “the powers that be” in the Republican party still believe that there are enough conservatives who will knuckle under, hold their nose and vote for Romney just because he’s the lesser of two evils, then I truly believe “the powers that be” have NO CLUE regarding just how angry conservatives are with the Republican party.
Would this anger translate into success for a “Palin for President” 3rd party run? I don’t know but I certainly think that conservatives would turn out in record numbers and that a large number of independents would be drawn to the candidate that puts citizens ahead of party and defines politicians as servants and not masters. Long odds on a satisfactory outcome are sometimes infinately better than shorter odds where the outcome smells of compromise and brings results which are just slightly better than disaster.
If InTrade had existed in 1775, I wonder what the market would have been for the American Colonies defeating the British Empire? Probably pretty small and VERY long odds … but … 8 years later it was a fait accompli and the United States was born.
So … 3rd party success – a long shot? … perhaps … but based on personal observation, vetting and a successful track record in Alaska, there would seem to be no politician better qualified to pull off this kind of upset than Sarah Palin.
SARAH: ARE YOU GOING TO RUN? YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TO BEAT OBAMA! WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF OBAMA!